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“Empire Strikes Yak” ahhh that’s good!
Just got caught up by reading the above links.
I gotta say, “very weird”! What the heck kind of people live there? Classic-stereotypical-only in movies-rednecks?
Initially when the story first broke, I thought some damn yahoos, but according to the above there’s actually some depth to it all?? An inner sinistism the locals have? Like “The Hills Have Eyes” or “Deliverance”?
I mean if I were there paddling with my family, I wouldn’t have even know about the history, why the hell should I suffer theses assholes ignorances? How terrifying it must have been to feel so helpless that campers (with kids) ran deeper into the bush because these jerks landed at their site and yelled obscenities and rape threats. My blood is boiling just thinking about it. “Justice” would NOT be justice for these guys, nor would it adequately send out any deterrent messages afterwards. Death threats should be met with death.
I think if I were involved I would vigilantly their asses!
Enough said before I get into trouble!
Check the other thread, the one you started about the paddle. But to quickly answer here, at “6-2” you might find 260ish (no longer) might actually work for you. I said “too long” in the other thread, but I didn’t realize you were so tall. I am 5-11 and 245cm is a great length for me, so 260cm’s ummm… might be ok for you.
You just gotta try it.
oh “YES” I think from a Kipawa’s stern a 260 is too long.
But try it out, and see, I am sure you could return it IF you’re not happy with it. But who knows, maybe you’ll like it?
I added an edit here…
In your other post, you said you are 6-2, given that height maybe 260cm wouldn’t be too bad for you at all?
Take them out for a spin, try ’em out and see.
Oops, sorry onebadapple, I just hadn’t checked in a while as I have been kinda busy getting stuff around the house ready for winter (some landscaping, built a new shed etc etc..). And this site doesn’t have (or I can’t find out how) to list “newest posts” page to easily keep up to date as to the new posts.
As for paddle length I think it would highly depend on your boat beam at the position you choice to paddle it. As I have said, I use an adjustable length of 225-245cm carbon fibre blade. I paddle a Swift Dumoine in kevlar which has a middle beam of 36cm but I paddle in the stern so it’s significantly narrower, and thus don’t need the longer paddle (in terms of hitting the sides).
As for getting wet… I don’t think paddle length will make much of a difference. In theory, yes, but on the water sometimes you gotta really go for that deep straight down stroke which is gonna bring on the water no matter the length. But you’re right, if it’s longer… then in general low-brace-like-skimming-the-surface-strokes would keep you drier.
In conclusion here, I really don’t think “getting wet” is a real issue. I paddle with the double blade in all weather conditions including winter where staying dry is crucial, and I can’t say it’s ever been a concern. I mean I (anyone who choices to paddle in the winter) would have warm water resistant clothing on anyway, right? And we are only talking about a little bit of light splashing on the pant legs anyway. Gaters really help here.
Looks like you are asking because you wanna buy a paddle? Hopefully the advice you were seeking isn’t too late? Sorry again about the delayed response. And good luck on the purchase, and enjoy.
I strangely put this “reply” in another thread, so I’ll paste it here. (Because you know it’s soooo important, and I am soooo relevant.)
“Always bring”??
I do the finger count, standing outside my truck, before leaving the driveway.
I have…tent…poles for tent…sleeping bag…food…stove to cook food…fuel to use stove…boat…paddle to move the boat..pfd to be safe in that boat…I’ll survive
There are more “things I always bring” but I could live with out them, as long as I got the basics.
Oh yeah and BEER!
I just realized that I put this post in the wrong thread! How weird is that???
Sorry, this was for the “Gear you always bring”
I’d like to add my two cents, but the above posters nailed it. Even the two that seem to disagree, in that… some paddling partners do better when the “weaker” paddler is in the front, but sometimes it’s just how well the combination works.
My buddy and I, often paddle solo in tandem boats. But for long interior trips we reluctantly share a boat, at a cost of full control of our rides. So we have tried to mix it up by giving each other the “power position”. But the cards seemed to have settled into the best combination that works with moi in the stern, and he in the bow. Not for any ego reasons, just feels more balanced (I am also the heavier of the pair) and he has slightly more WW experience than I, so it just works out better (did I say that already?)
So it’s also “just how it feels” to determine the stern and bow paddlers.
Good luck!
“Always bring”??
I do the finger count, standing outside my truck, before leaving the driveway.
I have…tent…poles for tent…sleeping bag…food…stove to cook food…fuel to use stove…boat…paddle to move the boat..pfd to be safe in that boat…I’ll survive
There are more “things I always bring” but I could live with out them, as long as I got the basics.
Oh yeah and BEER!
OneBadApple said
“yah better get a bigger axe bucko!!!!(while pullin out the cold blue steel”
Thanks for the laugh.
Hmm… can’t figure how to highlite the quote?
For those Canadians among us here (or anyone familiar with Algonquin Provincial Park)…
Just recently I was in the park going from Kiosk to Mouse to Erables, Maples, 3 Mile, Biggar, North Tea, Manitou and back to Kiosk (whew!!) And we were in 3 mile when a float-bush plane landed with a little aluminum boat. As they unloaded we were thinking MNR staff doing an audit or clean up. (we scrambled to hide our beer cans – ha! kidding)
Boy were we wrong. 3 ya-hoos bombing around the lake screaming and partying all night, even riding their boat all night well up to 1 AM!! For those who don’t know this is no motor boat and plane access area.
No guns, no threats this time, but certainly inconsiderate jackasses!
Glade you had a positive experience Pake.
It is definitely a wetter ride, but that’s not always a bad thing (though it definitely can be a bad thing if you’re already getting wet by the ran). But when it’s hot it actually can be refreshing to get a little misting.
Most times I paddle in the stern (even soloing) I just trim (or adjust my gear accordingly). I find this way more comfortable, leisure, and even drier as you don’t have to bring the paddle up as high when switching sides.
pknoerr, thanks for redirecting this thread back to the original question of marathoning. I have been feeling kind of bad that I hijacked it a bit. But as justification, I initially thought it was still in the same water as the original question, and that someone would answer it more directly shortly, which you did, thanks.
I got harassed a couple of years ago now, on Lady Evenlyn lake in Temagami Ontario Canada.
A trio of motorboaters came up onto our shore (where 2 of us canoed in) and said “get the “F” out we’re camping here”. At first we thought they got to be kidding. But they started unloading and setting up. We confronted them several times diplomatically to no avail. They were clearly intoxicated and high. Finally I sternly said “you can’t stay here”. Then they threatened me with an axe. After considering our options – to fight, continue to stand our ground – or sabotage their boat we finally decided to just leave.
To this day I have revenge fantasies about it…
People talk about the dangers of bears and other animals, I worry about the two legged kind.
Do “overnighters” or weekends count as “trips”?
If so, I routinely paddle in the winter. I live near the Ottawa River and we’ve been know to paddle in right through January and even in February (depending on the winter). Though we typically only go for a weekend or so.
But if there’s no ice in APP, we’ve gone in as late as November, in fact did Kiosk last year in November. Nice crisp time to go. Air is fresh, can very calm, but also can be blustery, but we’re usually alone.
But I think Sept and October to be my favourite times to go. It’s quiet. Pretty. Crisp and soothing. What I really like is the usually over populated area’s like the “header lakes” (Kiosk, Opeongo etc) are emptied, so you can camp on the well used and often prime campsites that you otherwise couldn’t enjoy without the crowds.
Rhaslam, it would seem you are a steadfast non-believer, and that’s cool. But if I am correct in judging your textual tone (which I could be misunderstanding) I get the impression that I have to defend rather than share my position on the double blade issue. I just simply prefer it to a single, I am sharing my opinions, but choose what you prefer, period.
However if I am reading more in to your tone than intended, then in the spirit of discussion, perhaps I should make it clear that i generally don’t do WW, (ain’t my thing, got bored of it ages ago). The question I addressed was do I bring an extra paddle for when I encounter WW? My answerer was “no” I don’t bring an additional paddle, particularly a canoe paddle. That generally speaking I manage to navigate the WW with a kayak paddle just fine. To me it’s an easy jump in understanding, in that kayakers with kayak paddles, handle the WW rather skillfully, if not better than canoers with canoe paddles (not to get into any “kayak vs canoe pissing contest” – two different sports two different opinions – I enjoy both – no need to argue).
Secondly (as I’ve further clarified in another thread) I have better success paddling from the stern when tripping. So paddle length is not much of an issue as one would imagine. I have 2 paddles, one of 230 poly, and an adjustable carbon fibre of 225-245cm in length. Again when doing WW I would go in the middle. This is of course all based on soloing. A well choreographed tandem attempt can be quite impressive on WW, but of course pry’s and such are not a technique that is utilized, but is one that can be used in the exact same fashion as if a canoe paddle was in your hand with perhaps even longer and better leverage?
My two cents, take what of it you will, and enjoy.
